Does anyone else hate Kentucky?
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PolemicVol
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Why I hate Kentucky.... |
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I hate Kentucky. I hate Joe B. Hall and wish he would just sit down. I hate Pitino karate defense. I hate lit cigarettes thrown at Bernard King. I hate UPS
packages full of cash accidently opening before being delivered to UK recruits. I hate......Kentucky.
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Bna Vol |
That was beautiful...may I add a few?.... | #1 | ||
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-Tom Hammond and Larry Conley
-Billy Gillispie halftime interviews -Eddie Sutton -101-40 -Rupparees I'm sure others here can add some more....there's so much to choose from.... Trivia question...what did the "B." in Joe B. Hall stand for ? |
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gvt11 |
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10) Kentucky kept so many great Mears' teams out of the NCAA tourney in the 60s and 70s
9) I'm sure Larry Stamper and Ronnie Lyons blew blue dust in Mike Edwards' eyes to make him miss that free throw in 1970 7) They could afford a nicer car for Derrick Hord than we could 6) They could afford a nicer house for Ron Mercer than we could 5) Rupperees 4) Kentucky (Rupp) got Bernard King held for a couple of games during his freshman year, while his transcript was being investigate, probably costing Tennessee a shot at the SEC title and NCAA berth that year. The transcript turned out to be valid and BK returned to beat the SOB in Lexington. 3) Jay Shidler - What's up with the different hair color every season? 2) John Belushi died the last year the SEC tournament was held in Rupp. Joe Hall had to have had something to do with that And Finally, No. 1 - Rupp worked behind the scenes to make sure that Spencer Haywood was not accepted for admittance at Tennessee in 1968. Haywood would have been the best player in Tennessee history to that point and would have given Tennessee a critical edge in recruiting black athletes before anyone else in the SEC. I still maintain that was the single biggest setback to the program in its history, other than maybe the tenure of Wade Houston. |
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BillVol |
Did not know that about Haywood | #3 | ||
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Wow. Used to know what the B stood for. On the tip of my tongue. Have to say I have never really hated Kentucky until reading some of this stuff.
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Bna Vol |
The B in Joe B Hall ...... | #4 | ||
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I'm pretty sure stands for "Beasman" or "Beasley". I don't remember which. My 83 yr. old dad swears to this day it stands for
"Booger".
One reason Ernie Grunfeld was always my favorite Vol was he could drive Joe B. and the UK fans insane. Particularly the night he scored 43 in Lexington in a comeback victory and "conveniently" took two foul shots when there might have been "some debate" among the officials and from the UK sideline in whether or not he or Vol Irv Chatman was the fouled player. Chatman at the time was maybe a 35-40% foul shooter and Grunfeld was probably 80-85%. |
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PolemicVol |
They say he subbed himself twice in that game.... | #5 | ||
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to shoot free throws for other players. Ernie was just smarter than the collective IQ of Rupp Arena.
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JPScott |
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gvt11 wrote:As a UK fan who is familiar with Haywood's recruitment, I would love for you to provide any type of evidence for this claim. It doesn't pass the smell test. Either Haywood was eligible or not according to whatever NCAA/conference/university rules were in place at the time. How was the coach at Kentucky supposed to dictate who Tennessee could or could not admit ? Again, it doesn't make any logical sense. Since you have this as your #1 reason, surely you have or know of some actual evidence ? Thanks Jon PS, IF Haywood had been eligible and IF he had stayed long enough at Tennessee to play, he wouldn't have been the first black player in the SEC as you suggest. Perry Wallace was already at Vanderbilt at the time. |
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Blacksheepvol |
I'm boycotting SEC basketball until someone breaks the | #7 | ||
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Maldives barrier.... just because a person is from a small island nation doesn't mean they can't cut it in the SEC. DOWN WITH BIGOTRY AND HATRED!
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BillVol |
Welcome, Jon | #8 | ||
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As I've said so many times, Jon runs what I feel is the best site on the internet. http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/statistics.html
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BillVol |
Whatcha got, g? | #9 | ||
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Hopefully something good to shut my Kentucky friend up...
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gvt11 |
It was a claim that Haywood made in this story | #10 | ||
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Seattle Post Intelligencer story
A Mississippi native raised as a teen in Detroit, Haywood accepted a scholarship offer from Tennessee, supposedly making him the
Southeastern Conference's first black basketball player. When Kentucky's Adolph interceded, suggesting his program would decide when and where the league became integrated, Haywood fled to Trinidad
State Junior College near the Colorado-New Mexico border, where he averaged 28.2 points and 22.1 rebounds.
If either of them could have exercised influence to keep a key recruit off the other's team, I believe they would have.
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wkuvol |
I might ask you to show me the evidence... | #11 | ||
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your statement the UT "plied him with cars and money" you made to Alan Paul. It doesn't make any sense. Surely you have or know of some
evidence? We appreciate you defending that bastion of integrity(and racism), Adolph Rupp.
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JPScott |
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gvt11 wrote: FYI, I spoke with the writer of that article after that was published. He basically wrote whatever yarn Haywood told him without finding any supporting evidence/corroboration/documentation or doing any research on his own. The author also refused to have the article amended after I pointed out numerous examples mentioning Haywood not being academically eligible (including by Haywood himself in earlier years). Sadly, that's apparently the nature of 'journalism' today. Haywood has made various claims over the years, much of it contradictory and off-the-wall, with very little of it actually backed up with hard evidence. I think that in this particular case, Haywood's first biography (written in 1972) mentioned his time at UT and did acknowledge he was not academically eligible. He didn't mention anything about Rupp (this during a time when Rupp was alive and no doubt would have been happy to set the record straight). This is what Haywood said then:
from "Stand up for Something - The Spencer Haywood Story" by Bill Libby and Spencer Haywood (Grosset & Dunlap) 1972, pg 36-37
"I finally decided to go to Tennessee. That sounds crazy, I know, and [Will] Robinson was dead against it. He figured they just wanted to use me, and he was probably right. But I had met a chick in Knoxville when they brought me to the campus for a visit and I really dug this sister; and even though there weren't many blacks in school, there were a lot of them in town, and a lot of sisters I thought I could deal with in the black part of town, and I thought I'd have fun there. It's just a chancy thing, you know, why a guy makes up his mind that he likes this place or that place or wants to go here or there, and a sympathetic sister is as good a reason as any. Ray Mears, the coach, seemed like a nice man. And there was a lot of talk of me breaking the black barrier, blazing a trail in basketball for blacks to follow me in that school and all southern schools. I liked the idea of being a pioneer. So I enrolled. But when I took the entrance exam, I flunked it. I did my best, but I wasn't ready for it and I didn't make it. And the NCAA ruled I couldn't play ball there because of that. So I dropped out." In fact, what Haywood didn't mention is he took off in the middle of the night without telling anyone. Only after Rupp died (and therefore not in a position to respond) did Haywood start making claims about him. I don't think that's a coincidence. In addition, as time has passed more and more Haywood seems to have 'forgotten' that he wasn't eligible. I'm not a psychiatrist but I think it is instructive to note that when reading about Spencer Haywood and what he's claimed over the years 1.) he rarely takes personal responsibility for anything he's done and 2.) he does seem to want to make himself larger than life. For example I truly do believe that he did want to be a racial pioneer. He just didn't have it in him (ie the work ethic, the grades etc.) to actually be in a position to accomplish that. Maybe that goes to explaining some of the later (unsubstantiated) claims he's made ? Again, if you have actual information from that time period which supports this theory that Rupp somehow was able to influence Tennessee not to enroll Haywood, I'd like to hear it. Not only that it happened but HOW it could happen if Haywood was indeed eligible. (which there's no evidence to suggest he was.) Jon
Last Edited By: JPScott 02/28/09 20:20:30.
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brothervoliver2 |
Kensucky lost another today. | #13 | ||
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I don't know how Billy Clyde survives this year. If you are going to lose this many games up there, you had better be a nice, homegrown guy. Couldn't
happen to a finer bunch.
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| Why I hate Kentucky.... | 02/21/09 00:44:41 | PolemicVol |
| That was beautiful...may I add a few?.... | 02/21/09 01:24:33 | Bna Vol |
| Re: Why I hate Kentucky.... | 02/21/09 08:57:57 | gvt11 |
| Did not know that about Haywood | 02/21/09 11:28:34 | BillVol |
| Re: Why I hate Kentucky.... | 02/24/09 17:41:17 | JPScott |
| I'm boycotting SEC basketball until someone breaks the | 02/24/09 17:48:41 | Blacksheepvol |
| Welcome, Jon | 02/24/09 21:12:41 | BillVol |
| Whatcha got, g? | 02/28/09 01:17:57 | BillVol |
| It was a claim that Haywood made in this story | 02/28/09 11:49:00 | gvt11 |
| Re: Why I hate Kentucky.... | 02/28/09 19:46:23 | JPScott |
| I might ask you to show me the evidence... | 02/28/09 12:00:54 | wkuvol |
| The B in Joe B Hall ...... | 02/21/09 13:10:52 | Bna Vol |
| They say he subbed himself twice in that game.... | 02/21/09 14:22:23 | PolemicVol |
| Kensucky lost another today. | 02/28/09 22:16:11 | brothervoliver2 |