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Posted: Today 4:13 PM RE: Tony Dungy Coming to Upset You . . . |
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 YamaVol06
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You know who at it again |
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Posts: 213 02/20/09 17:51:05 |
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gator hater |
I identify Kevin with his dad. | #21 | ||
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Posts: 40 02/21/09 12:06:10 |
I was hoping his dad would leave with him. I guess they'll have to put up with his race baiting for a while over there. He was never a UT fan, he was just
trying to get on the gravy train. Reminded me of a father/son duo from Murfreesboro via Bama, at least the fathers. Had thier hand out, wanted to play big
shot, both were small time racists, and both son's failed, albeit in different ways.
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humbletx |
as I recall DADDIO is/was some sales focused guy - who was/had been passed over | #22 | ||
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Posts: 3995 02/21/09 12:38:04 Mystic Knight of the T |
for up the ladder positions - while his metric was based solely on sales numbers in direct comparison. He didn't get the job, even though he
"outperformed" the guy how did - and he was white..
Well the flaws in that line of thinking are evident. Coaching hires at the Div1 level, head coaches.. Many AD's don't do this often - in other words they don't have a good feel for it - or the experience.. |
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CSI Ducktown |
Keel all de white peeples..... | #23 | ||
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Posts: 642 02/21/09 13:38:08 |
Everytime I read one of Dad's posts, I hear the old Eddie Murphy SNL reggae skit where he sang that.
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DBMan09 |
I think the operative word you used was "Past" | #24 | ||
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Posts: 496 02/21/09 14:28:04 |
PolemicVol wrote: Hi. My name is DBMan09 and I have been VolChat sober since 2/15/2009 |
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PolemicVol |
I'll have to answer it this way.... | #25 | ||
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Posts: 2380 02/21/09 14:33:04 This machine kills tater salad |
A national accounting firm is filled with accountants. To be qualified to be CEO or a high officer in an accounting firm, you must be an experienced
accountant. This national firm has thousands of qualified accountants from every state in the nation. But none of their top brass is from California, they are
all from New York and other Northeastern states and always have been.
Would you think that perhaps that organization has some prejudice against California accountants? No, I don't believe in hiring black coaches simply because they are black. But I also don't believe that there aren't enough qualified black coaches to have more than one or two as head coaches with 119 D1 programs. Something is wrong there, just like something is wrong in the accounting firm in my example. Perhaps it's the good ole boy network. But the result is prima facie discrimination. |
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PolemicVol |
The question is equal opportunity... | #26 | ||
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Posts: 2381 02/21/09 14:42:28 This machine kills tater salad |
And the lack of equal opportunity for black coaches in college football. It is a fact that there are fewer black coaches than there are black participants in
that sport at that level, on a proportional basis. And in higher positions the gap is much, much wider.
You can't get a hit if you don't get an at bat. Black head coaches can't win or lose if they don't get the job. And something is causing university presidents to mostly only hire white head coaches and white coordinators. If it's not racism, then you need to give me a valid alternative reason why this is happening. |
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PolemicVol |
That's a point, but not my point... | #27 | ||
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Posts: 2382 02/21/09 15:14:24 This machine kills tater salad |
To prove discrimination exists, you aren't required to document or prove racist motives or actions on the part of anyone. All you have to do is prove
disparate treatment exists. And there is very strong evidence it exists in this instance. (note to Zippy, I'm not talking about in a court of law, but
rather in the court of public opinion).
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DBMan09 |
Lack of equal opportunity you say? | #28 | ||
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Posts: 497 02/21/09 16:23:50 |
PolemicVol wrote:There is no equal opportunity? Again, I remind you we (a majority of Amrican's in this country of which I was not a part of) just elected the first Black POTUS. I think if one were to claim racism then racism should be something that could be proven beyond a shadow of doubt. I am pretty sure the only way to do that would be to know a man's heart. I don't think a techonology has been developed to do that yet so therfore any claims of racism is either pure speculation that cannot be proven or just the playing up of the special victim card. Now, I agree there is not as many black head coaches but I don't think that is anything to be shameful about. I think it may be more about whites going the coaching route out of college than blacks since so many blacks go on to play pro sports. There just may be a time difference in experience that may be the causation. Also, just because a player is a good player in a particular sport doesn't mean he will be a good coach in the same sport. Larry Bird ring a bell, Mike Singletary, etc.... The list goes on and on. I think if you want to look at a disparity of black coaches to white coaches then I think a subject of equal importance is the disparity of white players to black players. If there should be a mandated number of black coaches hired then there should also be a mandated number of white players given scholarships. Again, how many white kids are denied the opportunity to play pro ball because of the number of blacks in sports? They can't hit if they don't get an at bat to use a familiar term. How is a colorblind society ever achieved without quotas? Hi. My name is DBMan09 and I have been VolChat sober since 2/15/2009 |
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DBMan09 |
I think if you were to make the accusation of racism or good ole boy | #29 | ||
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Posts: 498 02/21/09 16:29:37 |
network then that should be something that has some burden of proof.
Cy believes there ought to be more black coaches because they are black not neccessarily qualified simply based on the numbers of black players vs white players. Hi. My name is DBMan09 and I have been VolChat sober since 2/15/2009 |
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DBMan09 |
Claims of racism needs proof | #30 | ||
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Posts: 499 02/21/09 16:36:53 |
I don't think you would be wanting the public's opinion. Remember the public's opinion of Hitler?
Hi. My name is DBMan09 and I have been VolChat sober since 2/15/2009 |
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DBMan09 |
I don't. I see Kevin as someone who gave his all for UT | #31 | ||
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Posts: 500 02/21/09 16:38:06 |
and his dad as a washed up race pimp. Until he proves me wrong.
Hi. My name is DBMan09 and I have been VolChat sober since 2/15/2009 |
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OrangeButt |
I agree with one point | #32 | ||
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Posts: 4118 02/21/09 19:46:06 Jolly Volly's Evil Twin |
That some appears to be out of skew at the head coach position. Just for giggles answer this.- of the available coaches which black coach was more
qualified that Kiffie Jr?
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OrangeButt |
You just described Daddio to a T.... | #33 | ||
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Posts: 4121 02/21/09 19:54:44 Jolly Volly's Evil Twin |
but I don't think that's who you were tying to describe??? Maybe I'm wrong.....
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PolemicVol |
The Auburn second place fella... | #34 | ||
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Posts: 2393 02/21/09 21:38:21 This machine kills tater salad |
It is said, lost out to Chizik, because he had a white wife and it would be socially unacceptable in Alabama.
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jblair |
the problem with DADIO | #35 | ||
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Posts: 1491 02/21/09 22:32:40 Poet Laureate of OM |
The development and promotion of black coaches is lagging. The causes might be far-flung and they very well might be racially discriminatory in specific
instances.
DADIO features arguments delivered from a most self-righteous and highly-elevated horse. Blacks still face hurdles they did not help to erect. This fact is then spun via DADIO's famously inductive thought process to paint not specifics, but swaths of uber-generality on just about anything. So, even when DADIO has the kernel of a point or issue, he delivers the message in the same Aesop's voice with which he lectures on myriad topics. Even when the message holds some truths, the fucking messenger is such an incredibly biased douchebag it is tough not to employ any number of filters in order to read and consider his words. But, I cannot deny my own bias in regard to DADIO. I see him not as a herald for equality and what's right for all peoples; rather, I see the guy as barely holding back from some seriously fucked up viewpoints that would suggest a belief in black superiority. I think he could make 5 Percenters and other arch-afrocentrists blush. |
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PolemicVol |
There should be equal opportunity... | #36 | ||
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Posts: 2394 02/21/09 22:33:51 This machine kills tater salad |
I'm not willing to accept that our nation can't become more equal and more free. We should be a color blind society, but we aren't.
A discriminatory result can occur, without reading the heart of a man...all you have to do is read his actions, or lack thereof.
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Posts: 1152 02/21/09 23:34:47 Bulldog Eatin Mayonaise |
(note to Zippy, I'm not talking about in a court of law, but rather in the court of public opinion). note to Poley: the court of public opinion is....full of completely retarded opinions. Just sayin'  |
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BrassVols |
Here's some Prime Facial evidence for you Polie | #38 | ||
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Posts: 4910 02/22/09 02:19:57 Self-Styled Commentator |
The lack of black coaches in college football, particularly black head coaches, after many years of high participation in the
sport by blacks, seems like prima facie evidence of discrimination to me. There seems to be a large pool of qualified black applicants who aren't being
hired for positions for whatever reason, possibly due to discriminatory actions by the powers that be in these Universities.
I've made this point many times and it's not really hard to grasp. I've been through the training that hiring managers in my company are required to take that is taught by the corporate EEO administrator who is the person paid to keep a $10B operating group out of hot water with EEO lawyers, their clients, and the EEOC. Discrimination in hiring requires proof that there has been a systematic trend of selecting non-minority job candidates over minority candidates when they're equally qualified. For that situation to even come about, there must be applicants for a position who are minorities. If the company does due diligence in its job advertising to reach minorities; if there are not applicants; and if the ones who do apply do not meet the advertised job requirements, then discrimination has not occurred. Companies spend a boatload of G&A to maintain data and conduct training and surveillance audits to be able to prove this to EEO auditors when they show up. I do not believe athletic departments at universities are exempt from this. Now, let's talk about applicants for a minute. What is the most basic requirement of a coach at a D-1A school? He's got to have a college degree. What percentage of black football players versus white football players earn degrees? 58% compared to 76%. OK the applicant pool of blacks just shrunk. Now what percentage of those who graduated actually wanted to become a coach? Hard to say there is a difference here but there could be. But if we're talking about D-1A Head Coaches, there are several more stages of filtering that will occur, based on increasingly relevant management and leadership skills. Were they successful position coaches? Did they become coordinators? Were they successful coordinators? Do the successful coordinators have the additional skills required to be the most successful candidate? Kevin Steele didn't. Norm Chow never has. Monte Kiffin didn't years ago. Most importantly, the market for D-1A head Coaches is so extremely small, almost any attempt to analyze the racial makeup is going to be tainted by the small numbers involved. How many other jobs are there where there are only a dozen or so openings a year??? You and your bud ADD1A are too quick to pull the racisim trigger in this case because I don't think either one of you have thought through or understand the nature of this job market or what really constitutes hiring discrimination.. After a few players are shown, Orgeron, UT offensive coordinator Jim Chaney and assistant coach David Reaves clearly aren't impressed by the talent level. "O.K., lemme back up," Orgeron says, without turning back to face the recruiting guys running the video from the back of the room. "We are at Tenn-uh-SEEEE! We wanna see TOP players." |
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BrassVols |
Exactly. | #39 | ||
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Posts: 4911 02/22/09 02:21:00 Self-Styled Commentator |
After a few players are shown, Orgeron, UT offensive coordinator Jim Chaney and assistant coach David Reaves clearly aren't impressed by the talent level. "O.K., lemme back up," Orgeron says, without turning back to face the recruiting guys running the video from the back of the room. "We are at Tenn-uh-SEEEE! We wanna see TOP players." |
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OrangeButt |
That doesn't change my point | #40 | ||
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Posts: 4123 02/22/09 09:19:51 Jolly Volly's Evil Twin |
Besides, I'll bet the other guy's wife was white, too |
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