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TennesseeTuxedo	UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract		Lead	[-]
Posts: 10031 01/18/09 11:42:07 Sheep Barber	Tags : None UT Academia Wants That $15 Million From The New ESPN CONTRACT UT academia holds its hands out for welfare and demands that the UTAD give them more money. What else would you expect from people who teach and promote Marxism? You have to read some of the comments. Down-right scary. _____________________ "Bit by bit, year by year, the Big Orange glow has dimmed. Too many key losses in too many big games since '98 have removed Tennessee from the elite list of teams annually considered as national championship contenders. It takes more than one of the biggest stadiums in college football and a nifty fight song to be in the national title hunt every year. Not only does it take great recruiting, but taking the talent and improving it, and neither has happened with the Vols lately. _________________ UT markets Nostalgia/Traditions rather than Wins vs Losses. --AtlantaVol Last Edited By: TennesseeTuxedo 01/18/09 11:47:33. Edited 1 time.
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associate ad in charge of film	Yikes.	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1880 01/18/09 12:02:11 Eye in the Sky	Gimme gimme gimme. Obviously if the athletic department weren't around the academics would get that $87 mil and have a surplus! Well, until they saw a surplus and increased their spending to meet it. (yeah, yeah, I know there wouldn't be $87 mil for them, was just commenting on the fiscal nature of people who are given money instead of earning it.) Lets knock people on their ass & see if they want more of it. -homer
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Napervol	AD should keep all its money, however...there are many wasted opportunities	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1912 01/18/09 12:06:43 Mystic Knight of the T	The facilities of the University basically suck. Dorms to classrooms- sucks. Behind the times, not enough spending and planning has occurred over the last 25 years. For example, the day before class started in 2007, my son had no location for his English class because they did not know where they would have it for lack of space. He had two of five classes that met in the library. As I walked around campus that summer, it was amazing how the athletic facilities had advanced, and nothing else looked different since I graduated in '77 other than the new Glocker was going up. I realize that athletics for all sorts of reasons moved forward- but the real reason was based on the support of individual contributions to the University. I also realize that great athletic facilities makes for better teams which makes for more exposure for the University which makes the University better overall. If the academics want to change something, they should change: 1- the number of students enrolled. Make it a lot harder to get in- drop enrollment by 5% for several years. 2- The lottery. Some of that money should go towards the facilities and faculty. Having students actually making money from the many scholarships is outrageous. Problem is the lack of leadership from Nashville to merry go round since Dr. Boling retired years ago in UT campus leadership.
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Riversetvol	Best example of Communism is Title lX................	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3434 01/18/09 12:07:20 Mystic Knight of the T	from each according to HIS ability to each according to HER need. If I was in charge I would have 3 sports, football and mens and womens basketball, eliminate all the non-revenue sports and give the extra $30-35 million to Academics.
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Posts: 398 01/18/09 12:07:31 Mystic Squire of the T	Tux, In today's vernacular it's called sharing the wealth and being a patriot. Sound familiar? You're right, Frederick Engels would love this debate.
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LynchburgVol	ESPN is explicitly giving the money because of athletics.......	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 78 01/18/09 13:20:27	How about the next time academics receives a grant for research, then give some of that money to the athletics department?
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normbland	The people of Tennessee have spoken . . .	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 37 01/18/09 13:21:52	with their votes and dollars, and they have clearly shown that they value championship athletic teams more than top-shelf education at any level. Poor choice, IMO, but it's their choice, so give the people what they want. It's their decision, their money, and their future. Viva democracy.
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Volmeister	You wouldn't be able to maintain Div 1 status	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 981 01/18/09 13:29:08 Mystic Knight of the T	with just 3 sports. I think we are at or close to the minimium now.
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Volmeister	A couple of years ago, the AD borrowed from the Univ	#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 982 01/18/09 13:30:57 Mystic Knight of the T	to pay off Petersons buyout.
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VolDave	UT athletics is our endowment program.	#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 882 01/18/09 13:31:13 Mystic Knight of the T	Where Ivy League Schools have Billion dollar endowments that help support their schools, we have sports. While the UTAD should help take up some of the slack in lean times, the University shouldn't lose sight of the fact that a healthy UTAD is in the best interest of everyone over the long term.
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ProfessorVol		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 276 01/18/09 13:56:25 Mystic Squire of the T	Hey, we don't all espouse Marxism. I agree that our FB program is the bell cow (the main reason I'm still dubious of MH's abilities), but at the same time, the University has made little academic progress over the years and needs to make sure it's pay scale for faculty is competitive. all the best, ProfessorVol
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VolDave	How have we done at establishing joint ventures with industry Prof?	#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 885 01/18/09 14:17:21 Mystic Knight of the T	I know that FedEx and Harrah's have had huge impacts on the University of Memphis. Are there similar arrangements in Knoxville with local industry?
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voluble2	The academic side has plenty of money.	#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 771 01/18/09 14:20:41 Mystic Knight of the T	They just waste it. If they got rid of all of their grievance studies programs they could use that money to pay for classes that will actually educate someone instead of indoctrinating them. The more people we produce who think the key to getting ahead is to see who can whine the loudest then the more grifters like Obama we will have running things. They will elect people like themselves who think they are entitled to everything they want despite never having produced anything of substance in their entire worthless lives. I can't see any downside to eliminating urban and gender studies courses. You can throw in sociology and a dozen other fields of study that are dead ends as far as having a career that will contribute anything to society. These "fields of study" are like barnacles on the bottom of the boat. They slow us down and make it hard to compete with other countries who aren't so self-possessed. They could also dismiss most of the economics professors and subsitute a work study course at McDonalds for a semester and our graduates would be more economically literate than what we turn out now. Most of what they are taught is bullshit. The only Marxist I have ever met was teaching economics at UT. That was about as productive as having a numerologist teaching calculus or an astrologer teaching astronomy. One has nothing to do with the other. On the other hand you can't really complain about money being divided for political reasons when the athletic programs are part of government institutions. It is not consistent. Athletics and academia have no business being linked in the fashion they are.
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associate ad in charge of film	Btw, what the hell are they building on the corner of The Hill?	#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1882 01/18/09 14:39:32 Eye in the Sky	One the corner where 11th runs into Cumberland they're building something else. Hopefully it's more class rooms. Lets knock people on their ass & see if they want more of it. -homer
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associate ad in charge of film	Really? I thought there was a big difference today	#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1883 01/18/09 14:47:34 Eye in the Sky	Napervol wrote: As I walked around campus that summer, it was amazing how the athletic facilities had advanced, and nothing else looked different since I graduated in '77 other than the new Glocker was going up. than when I graduated in '96. New/expanded buildings over by the law school and Jesse Harris, they've done work to Claxton, they put up that monster engineering building when I was there. Lets knock people on their ass & see if they want more of it. -homer
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Napervol	yep, things have been done	#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1914 01/18/09 15:09:15 Mystic Knight of the T	and they put air conditioning in "the zoo", but I am not aware of any new dorms. Presidential was fairly new when I got there in 1973, what dorm has been added since that one in the late sixties? I should have said little has changed with the facilities compared to massive changes to athletic facilities (which is good). The new Glocker or whatever they call it is amazingly good- but it knocked out massive numbers of classroom space for two years with little or ineffective planning to handle that situation. My point should have been- it would be nice if the facilities of the school would keep up with athletics- and I blame that on the leadership, not the AD. A better job of facilities would help upgrade the student base and the overall perception of the University. As we looked at schools all across the country, most had newer nicer cleaner campuses- even the ones that were old schools. The local beauty of Knoxville could be enhanced with a longer term fix for the campus. They need to "downtown Chattanooga" the entire area around and including the campus. Once again, the AD should keep all its money. Fans pay for it for that purpose.
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54321givehim6		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 208 01/18/09 15:24:50	"They just waste it. If they got rid of all of their grievance studies programs they could use that money to pay for classes that will actually educate someone instead of indoctrinating them. The more people we produce who think the key to getting ahead is to see who can whine the loudest then the more grifters like Obama we will have running things. They will elect people like themselves who think they are entitled to everything they want despite never having produced anything of substance in their entire worthless lives." Hammer, meet nail! Excellent post!
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real turf fan	There is an unfortunate academic precedent	#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 648 01/18/09 15:38:03	Every academic grant gets hit with overhead charges that eat up over 40% of the grant money That's to pay for administration, the room it takes, the whatevers. Solution: Make a list of every person on salary who hasn't taught a class in a year. Take that list and terminate every one with an even number as their last social security number. Lots of savings. Would anyone taking classes notice the attrition? Next year do the same thing (with a different number on the ss#). In the mean time, go after the lottery money. Heck of a lot of it goes to administration of the lottery. Forget Bredesen's pre-kindergarden. Theme: cut out the people who just handle: numbers, reports, for whom there's no end product.
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homervol	If we win a couple of SECCs in	#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 372 01/18/09 15:39:05	the next 5 years.We will be able to contribute to the academic side.Nothing wrong with that.Cost of doing business...............homer
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PolemicVol	I don't support the "University of Football"....	#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2285 01/18/09 16:12:16 This machine kills tater salad	Anymore than I supported the "University of Fulmer". It's the University of Tennessee I support, of which the athletic department is a component. Seems to me that many of you guys want the tail to wag the dog. If Bushonomics hadn't been so disasterious, then these budget cuts might not have happened. I have a hard time believing the solution is more Rushonomics/Bushonomics. Perhaps an era of focusing upon the commonwealth of the entire nation might be appropriate now. Sharing isn't a bad thing.
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MrTennessee	If the admin of the school is like our government	#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 900 01/18/09 16:54:57 Mystic Squire of the T	then there is quite a bit of bloat at the top. Cut back on the bloat and you can do fine. This also needs to be done at the governmental level. I'd love to see what the budget would be if they didn't have all these departments of such and such. Welcome to Knoxville, Kiffin. May you you have great success here and build a dynasty!
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UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/18/09 11:42:07	TennesseeTuxedo
Yikes.	01/18/09 12:02:11	associate ad in charge of film
AD should keep all its money, however...there are many wasted opportunities	01/18/09 12:06:43	Napervol
Really? I thought there was a big difference today	01/18/09 14:47:34	associate ad in charge of film
yep, things have been done	01/18/09 15:09:15	Napervol
Good point there.	01/18/09 17:52:32	associate ad in charge of film
Re: UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/19/09 10:45:43	YamaVol06
Best example of Communism is Title lX................	01/18/09 12:07:20	Riversetvol
You wouldn't be able to maintain Div 1 status	01/18/09 13:29:08	Volmeister
Re: UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/18/09 12:07:31	rossvol
ESPN is explicitly giving the money because of athletics.......	01/18/09 13:20:27	LynchburgVol
There is an unfortunate academic precedent	01/18/09 15:38:03	real turf fan
The people of Tennessee have spoken . . .	01/18/09 13:21:52	normbland
If we win a couple of SECCs in	01/18/09 15:39:05	homervol
A couple of years ago, the AD borrowed from the Univ	01/18/09 13:30:57	Volmeister
UT athletics is our endowment program.	01/18/09 13:31:13	VolDave
Re: UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/18/09 13:56:25	ProfessorVol
How have we done at establishing joint ventures with industry Prof?	01/18/09 14:17:21	VolDave
What local industry is there in K Town?	01/18/09 19:25:51	IndianVol
Wiegel's!	01/18/09 19:41:53	associate ad in charge of film
Pilot Oil Company	01/18/09 21:36:08	TennesseeTuxedo
Re: UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/19/09 10:52:13	YamaVol06
The academic side has plenty of money.	01/18/09 14:20:41	voluble2
Re: UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/18/09 15:24:50	54321givehim6
Btw, what the hell are they building on the corner of The Hill?	01/18/09 14:39:32	associate ad in charge of film
Re: UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/19/09 01:25:33	Daddy Gee
I B Dam!	01/19/09 10:54:43	associate ad in charge of film
I don't support the "University of Football"....	01/18/09 16:12:16	PolemicVol
Your an Idiot!	01/18/09 19:05:51	rockytopcam
Fuck you. Share your own shit.	01/18/09 19:52:02	voluble2
complete . . .	01/18/09 21:44:22	normbland
Hey Ostrich!	01/18/09 21:52:05	rockytopcam
Re: UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/18/09 22:43:00	normbland
Re: UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/18/09 23:21:16	rockytopcam
I didn't mean to ignite screeds like that one...	01/18/09 22:00:59	PolemicVol
You tell'em Poley	01/18/09 22:07:18	wagee12
Re: UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/19/09 12:35:16	rocketcityvol
Dude, CRA loans haven't defaulted...	01/19/09 14:36:38	PolemicVol
well who were the subprime loans....	01/19/09 17:24:59	rocketcityvol
True, all true.	01/19/09 14:50:34	GhenghisVol
Poley, We All Know That Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi Caused These Problems	01/18/09 20:55:04	TennesseeTuxedo
Look in the mirror - mortgage brokers are the real villians	01/19/09 07:26:33	OrangeButt
If the admin of the school is like our government	01/18/09 16:54:57	MrTennessee
This thread would be a good one to move to GK.	01/18/09 21:59:28	BrassVols
Re: UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/18/09 22:05:12	MagicDust9999
I dont think it matters what side its slanted towards	01/18/09 22:07:59	BrassVols
This Thread Was A Good One Until Poley Injected Politics Into It	01/18/09 22:09:06	TennesseeTuxedo
Re: UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/18/09 22:35:05	VOLociraptor
Re: UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/19/09 10:47:58	YamaVol06
ADs need to combine for sure	01/18/09 23:01:40	BillVol
Re: UT Faculty Has Designs On The $15 Million From The ESPN Contract	01/19/09 00:49:46	browning
A primer on derivatives	01/19/09 11:03:17	gallavol
Galla, there's nothing new under the sun....	01/19/09 14:46:41	PolemicVol
Good...let the AD go after their research grants then.	01/19/09 12:23:25	rocketcityvol

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